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Episode 25June 13, 2024
ChatGPT just hit $3B in ARR—here’s why Sam Altman is a strategic genius.
About this episode
Sam Altman is playing chess not checkers. He partnered with Microsoft. He partnered with Apple. He grew to $3B in ARR in 2 years. Hate him or love him, he's a strategic genius.
You'll recognize a pattern: Sam has an idea, positions correctly, lets the bets play out, and goes all-in on what works.
Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat.
In under 2 years, he has over 10M paying subscribers.
A brand name the average 60-year-old recognizes.
And, of course, his company OpenAI has $3.4B in ARR.
Keywords
ChatGPT, OpenAI, revenue growth, strategic decision-making, positioning, Sam Altman, Microsoft, Apple, AI technology,
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Speaker 1
0:00
So
the
information
just
reported
today
that
OpenAI,
same
Elements
company
is
doing
$3.4
billion
in
annual
recurring
revenue,
which
if
you
think
about
it,
is
just
insane.
It's
double
what
they
were
doing
just
six
months
ago,
which
doubling
when
you're
doing
billions
in
revenue
is
absurd.
It's
also
up
from
basically
zero
before
Chad
,
GBT,
I
mean
a
couple
hundred
million
dollars,
but
like
21,
early
22.
Realistically,
they
were
doing
like
no
revenue.
So
from
nothing
ish
to
three
and
a
half
billion
dollars
in
revenue
in
two
years,
it's
outta
this
world.
It's
completely
outta
this
world.
And
you
know,
I
was
thinking
about,
I
remember
,
uh,
Paul
Graham,
who
obviously
worked
super
closely
with
Sam
over
at
,
uh,
at
yc,
actually
Sam
Elliman
was
in
ycs
first
batch
ever
with
a
different
company.
And
then,
you
know,
Sam
goes
on
to
become
the
CEO
of
yc.
So
anyways
,
he's
worked
closely
with
Paul
Graham
for
many
years.
And
Paul,
what
Paul
said
about
Sam
was
that
Sam
was
the
best
strategist
he's
ever
worked
with.
Paul
Graham,
who's
worked
with
some
of
the
most
exceptional
founders
on
this
planet,
says
that
Sam
Altman
is
the
best
strategist
that
he's
ever
worked
with.
So
I
got
to
thinking,
and
I
just
thought
back
like
to
the,
to
the
history
of
opening
ai
and
you
,
you
actually
look
at
how
it
all
played
out
and
you
can
really
start
to
see
now
the
strategic
thinking
that
was
behind
some
of
the
big
moves
that
,
uh,
that
Sam
Altman
made.
And
,
and
I'm
not
saying
by
the
way,
like
that
Sam
Altman
had
some,
let's
say,
master
plan
that
he
like
predicted
the
future
knew
was
gonna
happen.
It's
actually
funny
enough,
like
strategy
is
not
about
predicting
the
future.
I
mean,
that's
called
having
a
crystal
ball
and
no
one's
got
that
<laugh>.
Truly
no
one's
got
that
actually.
Strategy
is
all
about
positioning.
It's
all
about
putting
yourself
in
a
place
where
regardless
of
the
different
things
that
might
happen,
you
have
as
many
opportunities
as
possible.
The
best
decisions
are
the
ones
that
regardless
of
what
outcome
happens
in
the
future,
put
you
in
a
place
where
your
available
set
of
choices
are
as
good
as
they
could
have
been.
And
that's
really
what
strategy
is
all
about.
So
2015
Sam
starts
open
AI
and
he
starts
it
as
like
a
nonprofit
and
he
starts
it
with
obviously
some
of
the
biggest
names
in
the
world
with
Elon
Musk,
with
Peter
Teo
.
All
these
guys
at
this
point,
like
the
Uniting
mission,
the
thing
that
brings
everyone
together
is
this
idea
that
a
GI
is
coming,
like
it's
all
about
safety
concerns
around
what
AI
is
gonna
mean,
especially
what
a
GI
is
gonna
mean.
And
that's
why
this
non-for-profit
structure
makes
so
much
sense.
It
galvanizes
everyone,
it
helps
Sam
put
the
best
people
on
this
mission
together
instead
of
having
to
kind
of
come
up
with
a
business
case,
which
at
that
point
you
couldn't
really
do
because
there
was
no
clear
business
case.
So
instead
of
doing
that,
he
just
kinda
gets
the
best
minds
around
it,
the
best
tech
people,
the
best
business
Speaker 2
2:58
People
together,
the
best
AI
experts
obviously,
and
galvanizes
them
with
this
mission,
this
not-for-profit
that
is
going
to
help
protect
humanity
against
the
dangers
that
come
from
ai.
And
that's
what
he
is
working
on.
And
at
this
point
by
the
way,
he's
still
full-time
on
yc.
So
you
already
see,
okay,
this
is
an
interesting
move
because
he
doesn't
give
up
the
thing
that
he's
been
doing,
the
thing
that
he
loves,
but
he
starts
kind
of
working
closer
with
these
incredible
tech
luminaries
on
perhaps
one
of
the
most
interesting,
most
important
technology
developments
that's
upcoming
in
our
time.
And
that's
what
happens,
right?
So
he
goes
on
this
literally,
he's
just
working
on
this
kind
of
in
the
background.
I
mean,
well
known
in
a
sense,
but
not,
certainly
not
by
the
average
person
by
any
means
in
2019,
he
releases
GPT
two.
So
obviously
there's
been
a
lot
of
development
,
um,
by
that
point.
And
with
GPT
two,
that's
when
things
start
to
become
a
little
bit
clearer.
It
becomes
clearer
what
the
power
of
this
new
kind
of
AI
technology
could
be.
It
also
becomes
clear
what
some
of
the
use
cases
might
be.
At
the
beginning
they
,
they
really
weren't.
So
now
he
takes
the
second
kind
of
move
when
we
talk
about
positioning
the
second
strategic
decision,
number
one,
he
goes
all
in,
right?
He
says,
okay,
this
is
actually
very
important.
It's
much
more
important
than
what
I'm
doing.
It
yc
,
I
like
it
more.
Whatever.
He
puts
all
these
things
together
and
he
decides
he's
gonna
go
all
in.
So
he
quits,
YC
goes
all
in,
becomes
the
CEO
of
this
company,
adds
a
for-profit
component
to
it
and
leverages
that
for-profit
component
to
get
a
billion
dollar
investment
from
Microsoft.
So
that's
all
in
just
one
year,
you
already
see.
So
now
kind
of
how
that
positioning
has
evolved.
And
then
from
there,
about
a
year
later
in
2020,
he
launches
GPT-3
.
So
obviously
the
GPT
uh
,
product
just
keeps
getting
better
and
better
and
companies
are
starting
to
build
on
top.
But
at
this
point,
the
way
to
access
,
uh,
open
AI's
technology
is
effectively
all
through
APIs,
right?
Like
he
doesn't
really
have
any
direct
to
consumer
,
uh,
offerings.
So
he's
just
kind
of
working
with
startups,
working
with
different
companies
that
are
building
on
top
of
his
technology.
And
then
this
starts
to
really
change,
right?
Like
in
2022,
as
they
continue
to
develop
the,
the
,
the
technology,
this
is
when
they
come
out
with
GPT-3
0.5.
And
this
is
when
things
change
a
little
bit
because
what
Sam
realizes
with
GPT-3
0.5
is
this,
is,
this
is
like,
let's
say
orders
of
magnitude.
If
you
wanna
use
text
feed
better
than
what
we
had
before,
better
than
GPT-3
and
the
sort
of
experiences
you
can
power
with
this
just
kind
of
took
a
huge
step
function
up.
And
frankly,
Sam
is
not
going
to
let
everybody
else
have
his
case
.
Being
an
API
being
behind
the
scenes
is
just
not
good
enough
when
what
you've
enabled
is
so
compelling.
So
what
does
he
do
with
GPT-3
0.5?
He
launches
Chad
GPT.
So
this
is
end
of
2022.
And
look,
did
Sam
know
that
Chad
GPT
was
gonna
be
as
big
as
it
became?
Of
course
not.
Like
who
can,
who
can
have
the
expectations
that
you're
gonna
launch
a
product
and
it's
gonna
go
from
zero
to
a
hundred
million
users
in
two
months,
faster
than
anything,
faster
than
Instagram,
faster
than
Facebook,
faster
than
TikTok
.
Like
it
was
the
fastest
product
to
ever
go
from
zero
to
a
hundred
million
in
uh
,
users
except
for
threads,
which
threads
obviously
leveraged
the
entire
meta
infras
,
um,
the
entire
meta
ecosystem.
So
it's
not
really
a
fair
comparison.
But
anyways,
that's
what
happens.
It's,
it's
not
about
predicting
the
future,
it's
specifically
about
positioning.
So
that
if
that
technology
is
as
powerful
as
he
thought,
as
compelling
as
he
thought,
at
least
opening
AI
would
capture
just
about
all
of
the
value
from
it.
And
guess
what?
That's
exactly
what
happened
because
obviously,
as
we
all
know,
Chad
GPT
blew
up
and
then
he
does
the
next
thing,
which
is
he
continues
to
go
all
in,
right?
So
he
launches
a
paid
version
exceptionally
quickly
that
same
year.
This
is
2023,
all
within
the
span
,
12
months.
He
launches
a
paid
version
of
20
bucks
a
month.
He
launches
GPT
for
the
next
evolution
of
GPT.
He
launches
an
iOS
app,
and
then
he
makes
the
next
kind
of
truly
strategic
move
that's
more
just
kind
of
product
lawsuit
and
,
and
making
sure
that
the
team
is
aligned
and
launching
quickly
and
leveraging
everything
that
that
they
have
right
in
front
of
them.
The
next
strategic
play
is
the
partnership
with
Microsoft.
So
Microsoft
already
invested
a
billion
dollars,
but
in
2023
they
announced
a
$10
billion
investment,
which
is
massive,
monumental,
and
on
top
of
that
brings
them
closer.
Think
about
it
from
Sam's
perspective,
like
at
the
end
of
the
day,
like
a
technology
is
gonna
have
value
in
enterprise
and
or
it's
gonna
have
value
in
consumer.
Those
are
the
two
places.
So,
okay,
so
let's
start
with
Enterprise.
What
is
the
biggest
enterprise
company
in
the
world?
Microsoft.
Okay,
cool.
Basically
what
he
does
is
he
says
to
himself,
listen,
if
Microsoft's
gonna
plan
ai,
which
I'm
sure
they're
gonna
plan
in
ai,
well
let's
make
sure
we're
their
chosen
partner.
And
so
that's
what
he
does,
2023.
And
he
partners
with
,
uh,
with
Microsoft
that
year.
So
by
the
end
of
2023,
just
a
year
after
he
launched
chat
,
GPT
,
he's
doing
$2
billion
in
a
RR
.
Like
it's
just
absurd.
Up
from
$200
million
at
the
end
of
2022,
up
from
effectively
nothing
the
year
before.
Just
an
incredible
scale
of
revenue,
just
never
seen
before.
So
he
continues
to
go
all
in.
He
launches
a
Mac
app,
you
know,
a
couple
months
ago,
getting
closer
and
closer
to
that
user.
Now
the
next
big
steps
,
I
said
before,
I
mean,
technology's
either
gonna
work
in
enterprise
or
it's
gonna
work
in
consumer
or
it's
gonna
work
in
both.
Well,
who
is
the
biggest
consumer
company
in
the
world?
It's
Apple.
So
if
Apple
is
gonna
start
doing
things
with
ai,
Sam
is
making
sure
that
their
number
one
preferred
and
chosen
partner
is
not
Google,
is
not
meta,
it's
open
ai
.
And
with
that
which
was
just
announced
at
W-W-W-D-C
,
uh,
this
week,
over
time,
he's
gonna
get
access
to
1.5
billion
Apple
users,
which
of
course
are
the
people
that
tend
to
have
the
more
disposable
incomes
and
so
more
likely
to
kind
of
sign
up
for
that
$20
a
month.
So
again,
like
I'm
not
saying
that
Sam
Almond
Speaker 3
8:55
Foresaw
all
this,
I'm
not
saying
Sam
Alman
had
a
master
plan
and
frankly
you
can
hate
him
or
love
him,
but
my
point
is
he's
a
master
at
strategy.
He's
a
master
at
decision
making
,
he's
a
master
at
positioning
and
that's
why
now
they
have
over
10
million
paying
subscribers,
year
and
a
half
after
launch.
A
brand
name
this
I
think
is
so
compelling,
like
their
brand
name
Chad
,
GPT
is
known
by
my
parents.
It's
known
by
60
year
olds,
by
70
year
olds.
It
was
a
completely
unknown
brand
just
a
year
and
a
half
ago.
And
of
course
now
they
got
$3.4
billion
in
a
RR
.
That's
how
far
strategy
can
take
you
.
So
anyways,
Sam
is
killing
it
and
I
think
there's
tons
to
learn
about
how
he
makes
choices
and
how
he
positions
himself
to
get
the
most,
to
capture
the
most
value
regardless
of
where
things
might
go.